The more I read about physics, the more correlation I seem to gain on truth revealed within meditation and life experience.I have so much to say on this but dont know if I am just repeating stuff already said, but feel strongly the need to say something it would seem.
Been out of the loop for too long. (long time ago I was part of a group at Colet but lost the way)
Complete removal of the feeling of an individual body replaced with a shimmering field of unlimited expansion experienced during meditation sort of lines up with many ideas expressed within various equations and ideas expressed by physicists....Is it just me? or has this sort of thing not been talked of enough in direct terms?
Been years since I have shared any ideas like this with some "Good Company"....so am just dipping a toe into the maelstrom of speculation.
Physics and its relation to meditation.
Moderator: ADMIN2016
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
I give up.The depth of perception makes us do all we do with an infinity of options.When dealing with the infinite its best not to expect anything.
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
It is just a year since Mortice made those observations, and no one has replied. Mortice, why not try a group meeting of today? Our meeting, on Thursday evenings at Colet House, is open to visitors, as long as we know you are coming.
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
unfortunately meetings are out of the question since I seem to exist in Cornwall.
also some views entertained by this conglomeration of consciousness called "I" might be deemed cranky, to say the least.
also some views entertained by this conglomeration of consciousness called "I" might be deemed cranky, to say the least.
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
so mANY arguments upon truth and the true way of being and existing
...are we humble proud defensive aggressive passive or full of wonder emotion logic passion..or?
what else is there.
something like a defining unifying logic balancing all the diss-harmonic attitudes and positions.
such poetry of movement in words dance music battle war
such peace evaded
there will never be a problem in the supply chain here as universal delivery systems are quantum bound.
from a flower......sitting not moving
from a warrior.....moving not sitting
from a leaf bound
from a belief...
from whence beyond all the eternal flows and flys,
fly says the eternal butterfly that knows its lonely fullsome path.
beyond world,beyond wander and wonder at birth
but eternal paths fullsome pattern girths pass within
yet a simple flutterby without logic or emotion sees its path needed beyond and in harmony for our reason
traced patterns in the air towards all exude the eternal stare yet not many resound with the need to climb the eternal stairs
to stirr beyond simplistic nothinglike limits of observation
when and where we look..we do so cautiously, guided well we hope to this way and that,
our comprehension limits our weathervane vainglorious asides of knowing and understanding,but it is all we can do.
what solution is us inside or without or within limits known or not known or pre-supposed to be an opinion stated
maybe quoted badly even to us, but there anyway as a link to everything and nothing that could say?...what actually is.
like a field in spring...awakened bliss sought and known
like an equation felt true and recognised
like a moment felt expansion beyond the moment that could transcend any single moment
like the truth revealed as simple yet hard to explain
like or not like.....1 or 0......or multiples of numbers cascading here and there all full of infinitesimal depth
expand a zero or spell the origins of a 0......or the concept of 1 and know not one single path to truth.
when true infinity writes the scripts for us as it does, it hides within itself many facets of itself.
Levels of understanding are like a flow of jigsaw puzzle pieces, each complete with course and eternal direction
complementing a song that could never be sung but which can be felt complete for its moment when needed to be sung
and heard.
such understanding can never be used
only sung and heard
all our moments past and present make us who and what we become, for the future asks no questions as to why it is there
beyond logic beyond emotion beyond experience beyond all memory but containing all as in a perpetual mirror
never moving motion contained by all but reflected maybe in our emotional response
substance everywhere is under its own observation
what substance can define itself, but one of simple design and beyond complicated reason understanding and need of
definition.
what meaning can substance define as a principle
what principle can substance define as true meaning
harmony knows itself as the only true substance and will forever play its tune.
no words can ever speak the truth of any situation but only reflect thoughts held within
to be without words is where truth happens and understanding can begin
the listening of the soul hears and makes us across boundries our words cannot describe
because our words are a dimension and truth has no ties to any set in stone-like dimension described
and fettered by description that will always be behind the true fact
knowing what a thing could be to us will never be what a thing actualy is
descriptions will always be there in abundance
like clouds following a measure of sunlight wind and moisture
(cue picture of fluffy clouds)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Logic is good
Maths is good
Speculative philosophy on the facets of freedom is good
Faith in good behaviour leading to good results...is good
Knwoledge? in all its agreed recognized facets might be good...but due to having no ultimate knowlege?...
"I" cannot substansiate this wordy based statement
since not knowing how everything realy works means that there is a lack of stuff available
to know what truly is out there determining why or what or when or because.
------------------------------------------------------------------
all the colours and music and waves abound and sound and vision explores its human hosts vagaries and depth.
such a small part says eternity shining bright in the mirror of human evolution and then lets human revelation at last look
at the eternal scroll to see where every soul that has ever been and will be see its mark in all that "is"
from rock to cloud to rain to leaf to dolphin to lion to elephant to the complete tree of life
----------------------------------------
deep and shallow said the cat to the dog..they then sat for awhile.......gah said the dog!!!....our owners are coming back!!!.
is it your turn to chase me or mine to chase you?
lets both run and have fun was the reply....
------------------------------------------------
the shadow saw the light as music and the light saw the shadow hear a difference.
...are we humble proud defensive aggressive passive or full of wonder emotion logic passion..or?
what else is there.
something like a defining unifying logic balancing all the diss-harmonic attitudes and positions.
such poetry of movement in words dance music battle war
such peace evaded
there will never be a problem in the supply chain here as universal delivery systems are quantum bound.
from a flower......sitting not moving
from a warrior.....moving not sitting
from a leaf bound
from a belief...
from whence beyond all the eternal flows and flys,
fly says the eternal butterfly that knows its lonely fullsome path.
beyond world,beyond wander and wonder at birth
but eternal paths fullsome pattern girths pass within
yet a simple flutterby without logic or emotion sees its path needed beyond and in harmony for our reason
traced patterns in the air towards all exude the eternal stare yet not many resound with the need to climb the eternal stairs
to stirr beyond simplistic nothinglike limits of observation
when and where we look..we do so cautiously, guided well we hope to this way and that,
our comprehension limits our weathervane vainglorious asides of knowing and understanding,but it is all we can do.
what solution is us inside or without or within limits known or not known or pre-supposed to be an opinion stated
maybe quoted badly even to us, but there anyway as a link to everything and nothing that could say?...what actually is.
like a field in spring...awakened bliss sought and known
like an equation felt true and recognised
like a moment felt expansion beyond the moment that could transcend any single moment
like the truth revealed as simple yet hard to explain
like or not like.....1 or 0......or multiples of numbers cascading here and there all full of infinitesimal depth
expand a zero or spell the origins of a 0......or the concept of 1 and know not one single path to truth.
when true infinity writes the scripts for us as it does, it hides within itself many facets of itself.
Levels of understanding are like a flow of jigsaw puzzle pieces, each complete with course and eternal direction
complementing a song that could never be sung but which can be felt complete for its moment when needed to be sung
and heard.
such understanding can never be used
only sung and heard
all our moments past and present make us who and what we become, for the future asks no questions as to why it is there
beyond logic beyond emotion beyond experience beyond all memory but containing all as in a perpetual mirror
never moving motion contained by all but reflected maybe in our emotional response
substance everywhere is under its own observation
what substance can define itself, but one of simple design and beyond complicated reason understanding and need of
definition.
what meaning can substance define as a principle
what principle can substance define as true meaning
harmony knows itself as the only true substance and will forever play its tune.
no words can ever speak the truth of any situation but only reflect thoughts held within
to be without words is where truth happens and understanding can begin
the listening of the soul hears and makes us across boundries our words cannot describe
because our words are a dimension and truth has no ties to any set in stone-like dimension described
and fettered by description that will always be behind the true fact
knowing what a thing could be to us will never be what a thing actualy is
descriptions will always be there in abundance
like clouds following a measure of sunlight wind and moisture
(cue picture of fluffy clouds)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Logic is good
Maths is good
Speculative philosophy on the facets of freedom is good
Faith in good behaviour leading to good results...is good
Knwoledge? in all its agreed recognized facets might be good...but due to having no ultimate knowlege?...
"I" cannot substansiate this wordy based statement
since not knowing how everything realy works means that there is a lack of stuff available
to know what truly is out there determining why or what or when or because.
------------------------------------------------------------------
all the colours and music and waves abound and sound and vision explores its human hosts vagaries and depth.
such a small part says eternity shining bright in the mirror of human evolution and then lets human revelation at last look
at the eternal scroll to see where every soul that has ever been and will be see its mark in all that "is"
from rock to cloud to rain to leaf to dolphin to lion to elephant to the complete tree of life
----------------------------------------
deep and shallow said the cat to the dog..they then sat for awhile.......gah said the dog!!!....our owners are coming back!!!.
is it your turn to chase me or mine to chase you?
lets both run and have fun was the reply....
------------------------------------------------
the shadow saw the light as music and the light saw the shadow hear a difference.
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
in some egotistical way I seem to have leaked some thoughts to matter or mention not.
I know not what to expect.....probably accusations of insanity.
feel free to judge.
I know not what to expect.....probably accusations of insanity.
feel free to judge.
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
I seem to have no one else to share my thoughts with apart from the whole of the Study Society and my sister...
so here is some more sharing.
nothing moved and nothing needed to move and nothing felt any need to be an individual something
everything was in harmony
the harmony of being one
within the harmony was and is everything
every encountered across an eternity of encounters accounted for and known
positions of pain of any kind outshone by all around eternaly driven dimensions
multiple positions and directions of the large and small
all directed by eternity
the maths of infinity work on all levels and make us who and what we are
this small world as we see it is a part of eternity and every part of eternity knows itself
there is no mystery to this epansiveness
only questions
there are many questions
there are as many answers as there are questions
answers often lead to other questions but this is natural
there can never be an ultimate question with an ultimate answer
one question answers a new questions source
knowing will always ask for more and there will aways be more to know
the harmony of being one
this is the nature of infinity and how eternity works its magic
the one will always be the many
life is Consciousness and Consciousness is communication
there will never be a limit to communication since communication is information
communication never stops information from being real at source to anything that asks
how anything affects anything else is communication along the eternal roads all walk
look and see what is there at any given time and see also what others have seen
compare notes?
comparative truth should not a war make
there can never be an ownership of truth
all the love of sharing our world makes the world what it is
and our love is not just a word it is a direction to follow
some decry love as just need
some would say that feeling need is crying for love
the harmony of being one makes us cry this way
let me then cry eternally for the call of such love
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so here is some more sharing.
nothing moved and nothing needed to move and nothing felt any need to be an individual something
everything was in harmony
the harmony of being one
within the harmony was and is everything
every encountered across an eternity of encounters accounted for and known
positions of pain of any kind outshone by all around eternaly driven dimensions
multiple positions and directions of the large and small
all directed by eternity
the maths of infinity work on all levels and make us who and what we are
this small world as we see it is a part of eternity and every part of eternity knows itself
there is no mystery to this epansiveness
only questions
there are many questions
there are as many answers as there are questions
answers often lead to other questions but this is natural
there can never be an ultimate question with an ultimate answer
one question answers a new questions source
knowing will always ask for more and there will aways be more to know
the harmony of being one
this is the nature of infinity and how eternity works its magic
the one will always be the many
life is Consciousness and Consciousness is communication
there will never be a limit to communication since communication is information
communication never stops information from being real at source to anything that asks
how anything affects anything else is communication along the eternal roads all walk
look and see what is there at any given time and see also what others have seen
compare notes?
comparative truth should not a war make
there can never be an ownership of truth
all the love of sharing our world makes the world what it is
and our love is not just a word it is a direction to follow
some decry love as just need
some would say that feeling need is crying for love
the harmony of being one makes us cry this way
let me then cry eternally for the call of such love
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
the leaf saw the tree and knew whence it had come
and smiled at the journey
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
the sniper saw the path the bullet needed to travel and smiled at the accuarcy
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
the wave broke gently and knew its path was complete as it settled on the shore
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
the wave of radiation broke gently and scattered its effect unknowing to all in its path
but future generations would see its results
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
a man stood on a beach and waved at nothing and said goodbye to everything as he looked on
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
time ticks its eternaly made clock and makes our intelectual facsimle
reality make its way onto the stage of life via various stages of evolution
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
life is within what we breathe and then experience
breathe in
breathe out
our comfort describes who we are
our discomfort describes who we are
no thing acknowledged can ever not be real
everything is as solid as the most uncomfortable bed
have any ever slept in the most comfortable bed
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all the world is an individual religion and true
all ideas will trancend non belief
non belief in relgion involves a belief in the individual
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ok....about the wind...it goes up and down in force with no warning.
those that have sailed in all conditions know this and know how fickle it can be.
one moment you can be applying force to keep your boat on an even keel,
or you can be flying an aircraft in a so called straight line....
when out of nowhere things change and you have to change your opinion of what is happening.
The most experienced pilots of boats/ships/yachts/planes have been caught out by a sudden so called change
in how the wind blows us all of our directions within and without
------------------------------------------------------------------------
how fickle is the wind
its direction and strength a friend or foe
those that seek its comfort know its availability as friend or foe alike
knowing nature and its power over us creates the sheer poetry of respect
is respect of all around us a bad thing
-----------------------------------------------------
lost in power over the flower was the bee
mastery of all it could see
drunk with the nectar gathered for the queen bee
the hive beckoned, its depths gleaming from collective flights victory
memory of purpose surged and hummed a dirge
a common purpose loveingly observed
welcome home said the queen
though distant she knew her worker bee and wondered at all he could do and be
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
common purpose gazed at the stars
lovely said the life from mars
and saturn glimpsed its sojurn at large
the moon looked at its place and wondered again at all time and space
mercurial said one planet and circled so fast you couldnt make it a race
the earth became all moody and looked beyond the credit crunches limit
neptune then decided that all around were losing thier head and called uranus to know what had been said of the firmament
uranus noticed what had been going on and refrained from comment, knowing what might follow on
jupiter saw all the travails revealed and looked to mars to reveal all
mars appeared red and denied all that had been said and passed the promise to neptune
neptune sighed and smoothed the waves as usual
the common purpose passed on guided by a genial sun
the rest of the stars then all gazed gazed back lovingly and winked at mars
--------------------------------------------------------------------
there was a time when words made a difference
the difference is what makes us
an impass becauce choice is an issue
the ultimate issue needs to be seen and known
eternal truth is within and without us
no thing can ever describe us
there is no question beyond understanding because understanding
defines itself to itself and is a harmony of motion or stillness
therin flows the tide
time makes us all see
time makes us blind to itself
--------------------------------------------------
there is a debate and its a so called serious one that maybe should be asked
its about what it should be to be british
national definition will always be something all hold strong because of birth
there will always be definite positions stated that seem to make an individual position set in stone
all positions are based on information
information is what makes us who we are
whether it be information of the individual in close relation to whom we love or love of country or ideal
the best information that can ever be shared is the information and knwoledge of how to be nice
in any situation and within all situations......whether it is with someone you have never met or the one you love
being nice is implicit in transferring truth and understanding from one human being to another
being nice has severe implications
it means being honest and wanting the honesty to be shared
if all of us could be honest all of the time?...
we should be able to do this because we have a common goal
the goal or reason is that we all share the same consciousness of our surroundings
harsh nature pitches itself against us and survival against this makes us
we cannot win against all the battles that nature throws at us, but only rise in common effort
what has been lost in common times is the fact that this is so
or maybe this has never been recognized?....
survival is what makes us take the next breath
maybe knowing that we are all equal this way is a function that could make society function without so much pain
the economy of the world order needs some realy serious sorting......
money is not an evil, it is a communication
it is a statement
it is not something to be desired or thrown away
it should be used to construct a life for everyone and not detract from that
a massive gun/bomb is something that can destroy life...it is a construct with a purpose
money is a construct too but communicates a different construction of power
an individual can destroy life with a gun/bomb
the same individual can create a better life with global money
or can buy more bombs to destroy
The viking leader looked out over the prow of the ship into the mist and wondered if it would ever clear
then his ship landed on the beach
Time to make this land my own he thought
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
what shadow am i was the shout
the other shadow looked on and tried to answer
the next shadow walked by and created another shadow
from within the shadows came some light and created more shadows
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
how is colour
what is shape
when is now
was yesterday seen
has tommorow happened yet
or begun to begin
--------------------------------------------------------------
no silence
no noise
no colour or voyage
no lies
no truth
no thing to enjoy
all sound
all harmony
all colours enjoyed
all truth
all depth within seen
all senses deployed
----------------------------------------------------------------
There is a sense within us all that knows its own value and its value of
abundance to be shared and enjoined
there within lays the mystery which is art itself
knowing why and not realising its value but having to shine its wares
glorious it shines and shares innocently
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
are we often victims or creaters of circumstance
are we thought or is thought who we are
is who we are a mystery or the ultimate thought that creates mysteries
can we ever know a simple answer
or are all answers the reason to ask another question of what we call self
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
the one asked of the many and they replied
we are one too they replied and know you well
but as the many we ask for one answer
the one listened to all the questions but knew not one answer but only many
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
logic defeated itself one night
then in the morning asked emotion what had happened
how the devil am I to know was the reply
you looked back in anger and thats not logical
and with that reply?...emotion stomped away muttering logically
--------------------------------------------------------
and smiled at the journey
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
the sniper saw the path the bullet needed to travel and smiled at the accuarcy
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
the wave broke gently and knew its path was complete as it settled on the shore
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
the wave of radiation broke gently and scattered its effect unknowing to all in its path
but future generations would see its results
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
a man stood on a beach and waved at nothing and said goodbye to everything as he looked on
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
time ticks its eternaly made clock and makes our intelectual facsimle
reality make its way onto the stage of life via various stages of evolution
an honest path from here to there and with purpose
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
life is within what we breathe and then experience
breathe in
breathe out
our comfort describes who we are
our discomfort describes who we are
no thing acknowledged can ever not be real
everything is as solid as the most uncomfortable bed
have any ever slept in the most comfortable bed
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all the world is an individual religion and true
all ideas will trancend non belief
non belief in relgion involves a belief in the individual
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ok....about the wind...it goes up and down in force with no warning.
those that have sailed in all conditions know this and know how fickle it can be.
one moment you can be applying force to keep your boat on an even keel,
or you can be flying an aircraft in a so called straight line....
when out of nowhere things change and you have to change your opinion of what is happening.
The most experienced pilots of boats/ships/yachts/planes have been caught out by a sudden so called change
in how the wind blows us all of our directions within and without
------------------------------------------------------------------------
how fickle is the wind
its direction and strength a friend or foe
those that seek its comfort know its availability as friend or foe alike
knowing nature and its power over us creates the sheer poetry of respect
is respect of all around us a bad thing
-----------------------------------------------------
lost in power over the flower was the bee
mastery of all it could see
drunk with the nectar gathered for the queen bee
the hive beckoned, its depths gleaming from collective flights victory
memory of purpose surged and hummed a dirge
a common purpose loveingly observed
welcome home said the queen
though distant she knew her worker bee and wondered at all he could do and be
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
common purpose gazed at the stars
lovely said the life from mars
and saturn glimpsed its sojurn at large
the moon looked at its place and wondered again at all time and space
mercurial said one planet and circled so fast you couldnt make it a race
the earth became all moody and looked beyond the credit crunches limit
neptune then decided that all around were losing thier head and called uranus to know what had been said of the firmament
uranus noticed what had been going on and refrained from comment, knowing what might follow on
jupiter saw all the travails revealed and looked to mars to reveal all
mars appeared red and denied all that had been said and passed the promise to neptune
neptune sighed and smoothed the waves as usual
the common purpose passed on guided by a genial sun
the rest of the stars then all gazed gazed back lovingly and winked at mars
--------------------------------------------------------------------
there was a time when words made a difference
the difference is what makes us
an impass becauce choice is an issue
the ultimate issue needs to be seen and known
eternal truth is within and without us
no thing can ever describe us
there is no question beyond understanding because understanding
defines itself to itself and is a harmony of motion or stillness
therin flows the tide
time makes us all see
time makes us blind to itself
--------------------------------------------------
there is a debate and its a so called serious one that maybe should be asked
its about what it should be to be british
national definition will always be something all hold strong because of birth
there will always be definite positions stated that seem to make an individual position set in stone
all positions are based on information
information is what makes us who we are
whether it be information of the individual in close relation to whom we love or love of country or ideal
the best information that can ever be shared is the information and knwoledge of how to be nice
in any situation and within all situations......whether it is with someone you have never met or the one you love
being nice is implicit in transferring truth and understanding from one human being to another
being nice has severe implications
it means being honest and wanting the honesty to be shared
if all of us could be honest all of the time?...
we should be able to do this because we have a common goal
the goal or reason is that we all share the same consciousness of our surroundings
harsh nature pitches itself against us and survival against this makes us
we cannot win against all the battles that nature throws at us, but only rise in common effort
what has been lost in common times is the fact that this is so
or maybe this has never been recognized?....
survival is what makes us take the next breath
maybe knowing that we are all equal this way is a function that could make society function without so much pain
the economy of the world order needs some realy serious sorting......
money is not an evil, it is a communication
it is a statement
it is not something to be desired or thrown away
it should be used to construct a life for everyone and not detract from that
a massive gun/bomb is something that can destroy life...it is a construct with a purpose
money is a construct too but communicates a different construction of power
an individual can destroy life with a gun/bomb
the same individual can create a better life with global money
or can buy more bombs to destroy
The viking leader looked out over the prow of the ship into the mist and wondered if it would ever clear
then his ship landed on the beach
Time to make this land my own he thought
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
what shadow am i was the shout
the other shadow looked on and tried to answer
the next shadow walked by and created another shadow
from within the shadows came some light and created more shadows
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
how is colour
what is shape
when is now
was yesterday seen
has tommorow happened yet
or begun to begin
--------------------------------------------------------------
no silence
no noise
no colour or voyage
no lies
no truth
no thing to enjoy
all sound
all harmony
all colours enjoyed
all truth
all depth within seen
all senses deployed
----------------------------------------------------------------
There is a sense within us all that knows its own value and its value of
abundance to be shared and enjoined
there within lays the mystery which is art itself
knowing why and not realising its value but having to shine its wares
glorious it shines and shares innocently
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
are we often victims or creaters of circumstance
are we thought or is thought who we are
is who we are a mystery or the ultimate thought that creates mysteries
can we ever know a simple answer
or are all answers the reason to ask another question of what we call self
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
the one asked of the many and they replied
we are one too they replied and know you well
but as the many we ask for one answer
the one listened to all the questions but knew not one answer but only many
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
logic defeated itself one night
then in the morning asked emotion what had happened
how the devil am I to know was the reply
you looked back in anger and thats not logical
and with that reply?...emotion stomped away muttering logically
--------------------------------------------------------
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
thats enough......
Re: Physics and its relation to meditation.
by plunging the depths of humanity and upsetting the applecart on every step of the way one can discover things about oneself that are dark and that hurt.
ask true questions and be prepared not to know all the answers
look to pre-concieved ideas for sAfety....
I reckon that there are some who know me from the past and are saying?....dont say hello unless you have an enlarged barge pole attached to every finger and fibre....
help? peaswewease.......seriously
ask true questions and be prepared not to know all the answers
look to pre-concieved ideas for sAfety....
I reckon that there are some who know me from the past and are saying?....dont say hello unless you have an enlarged barge pole attached to every finger and fibre....
help? peaswewease.......seriously
Return to “The Study Society Forum. Introduction and how to use it.”
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests