Cheltenham Group Meeting 8/7/10: Anand - Bliss

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Cheltenham Group Meeting 8/7/10: Anand - Bliss

Postby Rumpelteazer » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:10 pm

This week we returned to our normal modus operandi, and read half of this paper in the meeting.
Some initial comments were:
  • Bliss just seems to happen suddenly and unexpectedly with no obvious cause - e.g. when I'm walking down the street. Walking seems to be a particularly good way of encouraging bliss.
  • I see bliss as being different from happiness - it feels completely even and undifferentiated - not up and down. It seems to be very closely associated with the Observer. However, in the Record, both words are used apparently interchangeably.
  • I have a very clear memory of experiencing bliss when I was very young, just watching the trees going past in the sky.
There was general recognition of the idea that we have knowledge within us and it is the job of the teacher just to arouse this already-existing knowledge. One person gave an example of when she first went to one of Robin Amis' meetings. She immediately recognised that what he was saying was right and it lit everything up for her. Another person added that she felt that was exactly how an oral tradition is supposed to work. It's not enough just to read answers to other people's questions in books. It's having an answer that's specific to you as an individual from someone else who has understood and practiced something that is relevant to you. Someone else disagreed - for him just reading the Truth was sufficient and had a profound effect.

Several of us found the following ideas from the second quotation in the paper rather puzzling
...this experience of happiness is possible only when some activity has been performed. It is only by coming together that Anand is possible.

One suggestion was that it is about seeing ParamAtman in other people. Another suggestion (based on the 6 activities) was that if you perform activities that end in Sattva, and you make use of the gap between those activities to come to stillness, then quite often Anand arises in that stillness. Activity is a natural state for us - but we also need rest. If anyone reading this has any other ideas about what it means, please post them in a reply to this topic!

We also found the use of the word Anand (or happiness or bliss) confusing when sometimes it refers to something transient and sometimes to a permanent state. One person suggested this might be a question of levels. Perhaps different levels as the light of ParamAtman divides and subdivides down through the ray of creation?

There was general agreement with the idea that one should just be happy with "the glory that you can manifest". However, there was a difference of opinion about things that you can't do. One person thought that, although there are clearly some physical and mental limitations, a large amount of what we think we can't do is mainly a matter of lack of sufficient desire. Most of the rest of the group disagreed. One person said he would have liked to become a professional musician but did not have the ability to so - he could never play like Barenboim. He felt we should try to find out what we are naturally good at and not waste time trying to do things that we will never be able to do well. A further comment was that if it was just a case of desire we would all be fully realised by now. But perhaps this illustrates the original point ... A further comment was that perhaps we just need to consider what is possible now and that the situation may impose limitations. An example was given of a situation in which a strong predominance of tamas made it very hard for the person to perform an activity as quickly and efficiently as she would normally have done.
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Re: Cheltenham Group Meeting 8/7/10: Anand - Bliss

Postby fiona » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:01 pm

‘Unless you meet the person you would not be able to derive the happiness, so this experience of happiness is possible only when some activity has been performed. It is only by coming together that Anand is possible.’

I tried to understand this in the context of the entire quote and of the previous one. It seems to bear some relationship to the difference between pleasure, happiness and bliss. If we are able to perform our everyday, worldly activities in a detached way, then happiness, rather than passing pleasure, is possible. Greater than this - when Sat and Chit come together , then obstacles are removed and Anand flows into our lives.

‘When these two come together, Sat and Chit, then the outflow of Anand takes place immediately; with the Truth and Consciousness, the Anand flows in.’

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Re: Cheltenham Group Meeting 8/7/10: Anand - Bliss

Postby Diogenes » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:59 pm

The Universe is designed in such a way that each being has its place and is empowered with certain limited force. Within this limit, they will have to carry on the act which is most suitable to them. It is true that they can do it better or worse, but always within certain limits. So each being is provided with certain things (assets or talents?) within his Antahkarana which he has to make use of for himself, his family, for his society, in his nation, and so on. Each one has to understand how much energy is available to him to manipulate in a particular place and at a particular time.

As one of my ancient coleagues put it:"Know Thyself".


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